Another License? You've Got to Be Kidding Me!

October 07, 2026 • 00:29:16
Another License? You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
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Another License? You've Got to Be Kidding Me!

Oct 07 2026 | 00:29:16

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Another License? You've Got to Be Kidding Me!| Battle Born Tech · October 6, 2026 This week on Battle Born Tech, Rebecca just wanted the hymn words on the screen to match the hymnal. Then she learned there's a license for the words, another for Zoom, and another for movie clips. Jay, a retired engineer, tells how his company left Microsoft for Linux and watched its trouble calls fall. And Christy and Joe sort out drivers: when to leave them alone, where to get them when you can't, and why there are two programs named Snappy. Battle Born Tech airs Tuesdays at 8 PM Pacific on FM 95.1 · Stream live at KNVC.org · Show notes at battleborn.tech · links at bbtl.ink/stats · Call the studio Saturdays 9–11 AM or Sundays 7-9 PM Pacific: 775-241-3571

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[00:00:06] Speaker A: Are you in a constant fight with your technology? And does it seem like the technology is winning? Well, you've come to the right place. It's time for Battle Born Tech with your host, Christy. [00:00:28] Speaker B: Even though you're trying to figure out if autumn harvests Mr. Kung clean is an AI prank. A real clean up with Battleborn tech now. And every Tuesday at 8pm Pacific Broadcasting in Carson City, Nevada on 95.1 FM, streaming everywhere on knvc.org and available anytime on your favorite podcast app. Just search for Battle Born Tech. Wondering about being a bit by the snappy driver fork? Call Petal born tech 775-241-3571. We'll chauffeur you out of Russia as you roll up the Windows 775-241-3571. Opinions on Battleborn tech are those of the hosts and callers this week. We welcome Jay and Rebecca. The opinions expressed on the show do not necessarily reflect those of KNVC or Computer Corps, who are busy explaining Double Halloween to the Carson City newbies. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Well, Christy, I'm kind of browsing through this week's news and you know, everything's hair on fire all the time. So I'm basically sitting here with a smoking scalp and no hair left. One of the interesting bits of news that I came up with if you frequent Domino's like the pizza place, unfortunately their customer accounts have been compromised. So if you start getting suspicious emails from Domino's that you weren't expecting, chances are it's a scam or a phishing attack. And also which I thought was very funny, Google pauses its bug bounty program because AI is returning so many bugs now that AI can parse bugs in split seconds as opposed to days. [00:02:28] Speaker B: Yeah, those bug bounties programs have been overwhelmed and part of it is not so much actual errors, but everybody's just throwing it to AI and then have AI fill out the form and sending it in and just doing that multiple times. They just get an avalanche of slopes and they can't tell it from real because everybody's going after the money. It's just very easy to go click, click on AI and submit whatever it finds, whatever it spews out. [00:02:56] Speaker A: Oh yeah, hallucinations are a real thing. And I know that sounds weird, but it's true. But here's something that isn't a hallucination. We've got Jay on the phone and he's switching over to Linux vataborn Tech. [00:03:09] Speaker C: Are you there, Jay? [00:03:11] Speaker D: Yes. [00:03:14] Speaker C: Hey Jay, we were talking about your experience with a large company about 10 years ago. But he said something I wanted to bring up. Can you tell us about your experience there? [00:03:30] Speaker D: Yes. We had been involved with Microsoft platforms for years and we had lots of problems and our corporate engineers decided to try out Linux. Well, that trial turned into being a bonus because we told Microsoft goodbye and we ended up with our trouble calls diminishing intensely over the boards. And of course we saved a ton of money because Microsoft was charging us an ARM and a leg, whereas Linux was not. [00:04:06] Speaker C: Wow. And so. Oh, so there was that. But what about. I assume you saved a lot of money on troubleshooting calls and support. Is that true? [00:04:14] Speaker D: Yes, yes, tremendous. As a matter of fact, our trouble calls were we could actually account for Microsoft problems as compared to Linux problems. And if you put the Microsoft at 100% of of those calls, we set that bar, I think that we dropped to maybe 18, 20%. And this is. Yeah, it's been a number of years ago, but I know that the company is still surviving on Linux. [00:04:51] Speaker C: Surviving. It sounds like a thriving. [00:04:52] Speaker D: Wow. [00:04:53] Speaker C: Hey, so what did, did you ever reconsider Microsoft? Did they ever lure you back or how'd that go? [00:05:02] Speaker D: Yes, actually, after you. How things. What goes around comes around. And they found out that we were with Linux and they tried, they came knocking on our door. Why in the world would we break to you back when we are gaining tenfold as compared to what you were throwing at us? No, no, no, no. [00:05:30] Speaker C: Well that, that's a great story. And that was, that was over. That was almost a decade. That. [00:05:37] Speaker E: Yeah, [00:05:40] Speaker D: well. And yes, I, I retired back almost 10 years ago. But predicating that we did the swap out, I'm thinking it was probably around 20. Oh, anywhere between 2011 and maybe, maybe 2014. I don't remember. I just remember that. Wow. As an engineer, I just remember it was wonderful. [00:06:08] Speaker C: So Jay, you know, a lot of people are saying, you know, well, Linux isn't ready or Linux is next year or something. But your experience, you know, wow, way back 15 years ago you did the switch and you actually had a lot less problems than sticking with Microsoft, which supposedly, you know, people are saying, oh, you'll have all these issues and stuff. But you're saying, oh my gosh. No, it's the exact opposite. Right. [00:06:36] Speaker D: Yeah, it definitely was. And of course you gotta understand that some of the issues with Microsoft was we had to constantly update and keep things intact and you know good and well that updates are always a pain and especially when the equipment's out there in the field and they're Being touched and managed by people who have no clue. So Linux gave us the ability to do a better job without, you know, the common people challenges. [00:07:12] Speaker C: So you could do your updates kind of on your schedule like you know, [00:07:15] Speaker D: if you wanted to do. [00:07:16] Speaker C: When a new version came out and you would evaluate it, they'd say, hey, we're going to roll this out. And it wasn't hair on fire every month about the updates. [00:07:25] Speaker D: That is correct. That is correct. And that's what gave us that edge. [00:07:31] Speaker C: Wow, that's great to hear, Jay. I know that it's reassuring for individuals or companies that are thinking about taking the plunge over to Linux that there you are, a real world experience from the trenches. So that Jay here says, hey, come on in, the water's fine, the Linux waters are fine. Hey Jay, thanks for talking to us and sharing your experience with the transfers over to Links. Now your mileage may vary and it's been a while since Jay's been out there in the real world, but there's a really good, really good story. Thanks, Jay. [00:08:06] Speaker D: You're welcome. Hey you guys have a good day. [00:08:09] Speaker C: Hey, thanks for calling battleborn Tech. Bye. [00:08:14] Speaker B: Well, it's really good to hear a report from the field with Jay. And even years ago Linux was working for him. If, if you're, if you're worried about it, don't be so much. Imagine this is a good time to go. Especially if you're looking at a Windows 10 machine that will not go to Windows 11. You don't want to toss it, you want to do something with it. Back up, back up, back up your data, all your files and all your passwords. Don't forget the passwords if you don't have them saved in a password manager or in a browser account. Not just the browser, the browser account. The browser can export the passwords if you just save them there. But that's something a lot of people overlook when they move from one computer, you know that they forget to get those passwords out of the browser. Talking about things getting out of hand. We get people walking in the store all the time about drivers, drivers, drivers. Joe, what do you think about drivers and installing new ones? [00:09:09] Speaker A: Well, if your computer's working fine, it's doing everything you expect it to. Don't install new drivers because it's already working. [00:09:19] Speaker B: I mean that's the most common pop up with malware. They scream at you about new drivers available and maybe it's legit, but probably not. And Joe, sometimes them new drivers aren't installed for a reason because they Stop the sound. I mean, even legit programs might overwrite functioning older drivers with one that don't function. So that's always a thing. And before we go any further, got to tell you, restore point is your friend. Always, always, always do a restore point before you do any drivers. If you do do drivers. If you want to do drivers just because they're newer, go lie down until that feeling passes. But there are some things that you may have to do it. And remember, updating drivers for fun is how a good Tuesday can turn into a long Wednesday. But if you have to like a fresh Windows install, start with Windows Update. It handles most of the hardware. If that doesn't do it, go to the maker's website. Dell, hp, Lenovo, wherever built the part. Get the driver straight from the source. If it's a video driver, course you want to go to the video download the manufacturer, whether it's Nvidia or somebody else, but get the driver straight from them. Now if you strike out there too, it's still not working. There is a full view tool that I trust. Now it's changed. In September I talked to you about Snappy Driver Installer still, it looks still legit, but I moved on over to Snappy Driver Installer origin. There are two snappies. Back in 2017 the project changed hands. The new version started running with adware. A volunteer who helped maintain split off a clean version that was absolutely no adware and called it Origin. So the original scans clean today, but Origin has a better track record and I switched bbtl.ink driverinstaller over to origin. That is Glenn is the guy there, but it's a little bit too long to say that, but you can get it from bbtl.inkdriverinstalleronword both of them scan clean. I got a brand new version of Windows 11 this week, installed it, found it went without a hit. So Origin is one to look for for that. If you're looking up Apple handles drivers through regular system updates. There is no such craziness. But remember friends, you almost never have to install a driver. If things are working, it's just a chore you can move. And if there's something that is yelling at you to install drivers or has a list of 20 drivers, 11 drivers or whatever, that's malware. Get it off your system. It shouldn't be doing that. [00:12:10] Speaker A: Agreed. And it's a helpful site. But if your computer ain't broke, don't fix it. Unless you absolutely need the new drivers for a new install or an Upgrade where the old ones don't work anymore. But yeah, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's our operating phrase for the day. We've got another phone call here. And this is Rebecca, and she's singing the blues because she is dealing with copyright issues and church hymns. And if you're a songwriter or you're working in the music industry, you can feel the pain all the way from here. Yep, copyright issues. Let's see what we do. [00:13:02] Speaker C: Battleborn Tech. Go ahead, caller. [00:13:07] Speaker E: Good morning. I'm hoping you can help me. I work, work at a small church and I've become aware that, that perhaps we need a license to be showing the words to the hymns we've been using. Now we're given the words from the hymn right out of the hymnal that the church has had forever. So I'm hoping you can help me with all of that. [00:13:36] Speaker C: Okay. And who am I talking to? [00:13:39] Speaker E: Rebecca. [00:13:39] Speaker C: Hey, Rebecca. [00:13:41] Speaker E: Yes. [00:13:44] Speaker C: You had me at words. There was a. If the words are in the public domain or if the words are 1930 or if the hymn. The actual hymn is book is from 1930 or earlier, that's okay. I don't know if forever goes back to 1930, but otherwise, yeah, they're copyrighted. Especially if the him page is definitely copyrighted. And that when you, when you make a copy to put onto the screen, that's a cop making a copy. I don't know if a overhead projector kind of thing would count. That would be interesting, but probably does. You definitely are making a copy when you're projecting it because you're scanning it and putting it up there. Yeah, you definitely need a license. Good news is there are licenses. There's a. There's a couple. [00:14:41] Speaker D: Good one. [00:14:43] Speaker C: CCLI Church is what the big, the big one for the hymns. Church copyright license is what they're doing and they go by attendance. So a small church is small fee. You know, you. You might get out for, you know, 100 or two, as opposed to thousands if you're high church. I mean, if you're like very liturgical, Roman Catholic, you use a lot of worship songs and liturgical tradition then you know, like in between times and responses and stuff. That usually comes under one license that's primarily Roman Catholic, maybe Episcopal kind of thing. But CCLI Church copyright license is the way to go and you do need those. Now if you type in public hymn lyrics From 1930 or before, you can do that now trick. If the hymnal, some of them are really nasty. Like if the hymnal Change thee and thou to me and you. That's a whole nother clock on the copyright. [00:16:10] Speaker E: And I noticed this criminal does that. Yes. [00:16:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So that. That restarts the copyright clock. So you got to go back to something from 1930 or below. [00:16:22] Speaker D: Below. [00:16:22] Speaker C: Like. Well, like if you did their Old rugged cross, that's 1913, believe it or not, as well, with my soul is 1873. But he lives is from 1933. [00:16:35] Speaker D: So Yahoo. [00:16:38] Speaker E: Okay, so I'm getting this all. [00:16:42] Speaker C: I should say I'm getting this all from himnori.org and we'll have that up on our website. That's where you get the info on what's public domain, what's still under license. That's a good guide. Yeah. [00:16:58] Speaker D: Go ahead. [00:16:59] Speaker E: Okay. All right. So it sounds like we need to purchase a license. I will look into that. So what if I understand that our denomination has purchased a license for and that we're able to use those hymn words? [00:17:21] Speaker D: Okay. [00:17:22] Speaker E: I think free of charge. Is that something different? [00:17:24] Speaker C: Are you a Presbyterian person? [00:17:27] Speaker E: Yes. [00:17:28] Speaker C: Okay. Well, there is not a quasi official, not denominational, but there is the public domain Hymnal Project. The hymnal project and some. And it does offer to churches and to presbyteries a package of slides that have the words to all the public domain hymns. So if that's what you're thinking of. Yeah, that's available. Of course, that's something you got to buy or if you're. If your church council has bought it for you, you can check out that and you can buy that. Now, those are only the public domain hymns. Those are the old 1930, like he lives, wouldn't it be in there. But etc. So that's one thing. Now if you're talking about the Glory to God hymnal, that is the cat. The Cadillac version of that is that they sell a projection edition, believe it or not. And it's really nice. It's a lot better than you, you and I could do in all the time we spend trying to. [00:18:31] Speaker B: You know [00:18:34] Speaker C: what? Try trying to get words and music up and not. And it's. It's either legal. The Presbyterians only have about 30 hymns that they are control of. But they either put but. And then there's the public domain on top of that. So what they do, they sell you the slides, PowerPoint and PDF and you can either buy the words or the words and music. But you still need that license. I mean, all that does is save you the hassle of typing in it yourself to slides. You still need the CCLI that gets that. Now the license is annually. But the Glory to God template, that's a buy once it's a little pricey. You know, you're stepping up several hundred dollars, couple hundred dollars on that. We don't do pricing. [00:19:33] Speaker E: I think the problem with that is that the church hymnal is much older and they do not have glory to God. And so the words. Because some people still open the hymnals and some people look at the slides. [00:19:47] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:19:49] Speaker E: If they don't jive. [00:19:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, that your life then you're looking at the CCLI license alone and that'll be fine. You just have to type it in yourself. And almost all the hymns are covered. Probably all the ones that you would pick would be color covered. And they got to check, even got a little programs to help you select the songs and know which way you're going. Yeah, that I don't know. I don't know if anybody being progress prosecuted, but the fines are pretty intense. Do you do Zoom or videos or anything? [00:20:26] Speaker E: Yes, we do do Zoom. [00:20:28] Speaker C: Okay. Zoom is yet another license that's considered streaming. So that's an add on. So you can either add that on or not show that portion on Zoom. Only do it in house. It's up to you. Just so you're aware. [00:20:48] Speaker E: Okay. Okay. So that's another license. Do you have any idea about how much those cost? [00:20:53] Speaker C: Yeah, it's about another. You're talking somewhere in the neighborhood. Another hundred dollars depending on your worship size. Now if you got thousand people in worship, they charge you more than if you got a dozen, but. [00:21:06] Speaker E: Right. [00:21:07] Speaker C: It's doable. They, you know, they're, you know, they want to sell the product. So it's doable. [00:21:14] Speaker E: Right. So what happens if we show a short movie clip? [00:21:18] Speaker C: Well, that's yet guess what the answer is on that. Yet another license. [00:21:25] Speaker E: Oh my God. Yeah. [00:21:28] Speaker C: And so that's another add on. You can, you can get an add on for that as well. And that's kind of pricey because you know, you're paying Hollywood entertainment dollars instead of hymnal writing dollars. That's a little pricey, but that's available. And because it's available, it's a little hard to make the fair use argument. There's four things for fair use. So I'm not a lawyer. Go see a lawyer. But one of the things is if there's a way to do it legally and pay money, then you got to do it. And this is a way to. Because this exists, they could argue that you're, you're Taking money away from them because you should be. There's a way to pay for it and you're not. So. [00:22:13] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:22:14] Speaker E: Okay. [00:22:15] Speaker C: So good times. So you may not just. You may decide, yeah, we're just not going to do that. That's fine. [00:22:22] Speaker E: Right. Well, I think probably the. For. For most churches, it's just getting over the realization that there are things you have to do and you just do it. And so once. Once you've done the first year, then the bill just comes and you just pay it. But it's getting used to it. And even. [00:22:44] Speaker C: Even YouTube counts that for, you know, have to be brought into the streaming license because YouTube says, you know, one person looking at it online, it's not a group looking at it on screen and definitely not downloading it. So. [00:23:00] Speaker E: I see. [00:23:02] Speaker C: So even though there's possible. Even though there's maybe hundreds of worship songs on YouTube. Yeah. You really need the license. [00:23:12] Speaker E: I see. [00:23:13] Speaker C: But I'm not a lawyer, and so go check a lawyer. But I'm pretty sure on this one. [00:23:20] Speaker E: Okay, well, I think that's enough today to just figuring out the CCLI Will. Will take a while and. [00:23:33] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, they're really good about taking your money and getting your license. [00:23:36] Speaker D: It's. [00:23:37] Speaker C: You know, it's not. You may have to. And then looking at song select, you want to take advantage of that if you go with that. [00:23:45] Speaker E: Right. All right, well, I appreciate your help, your direction, and I will get on this. [00:23:54] Speaker C: Thanks for calling. [00:23:55] Speaker E: All right, thank you. [00:23:57] Speaker C: Bye Bye. [00:23:59] Speaker B: Joe, you had a couple issues to share about copyright. What. What can you tell us? [00:24:04] Speaker A: First off, keep in mind, neither Christy nor I are intellectual property lawyers, so check with your lawyer first. There's a couple of resources to look into. If you need to secure copyright permissions or if you need to secure sync clearance or mechanical clearance, you'll learn all these terms. If you're in the middle of it, you need to go to either harryfox.com, h a r r y f o x.com and they are a clearinghouse, the official clearinghouse for like ASCAP and BMI and such. You can also go to song file S O N G f I l e.com and they will also help secure permissions to record already copyrighted songs. I've used them in the past. I've used Harry Fox in the past. And copyrights, when you're recording something or broadcasting something is. Yeah, it's very Byzantine and rife with legal pitfalls. [00:25:08] Speaker B: Well, thanks, Joe. That's for songs that are out there in the world and not just religious music, which we talked about on the call. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Yeah, and even religious music. You know, they say forgiveness is divine. However, if you're impeding someone's ability to make money off their song, forgiveness is taking a long back seat way back there to the initial desire of show me my Money. All right, Christy, Well, I think we've come to the end of the show and I think we're looking for some wise words from a wise this has been battleborn Tech. [00:25:52] Speaker B: Thanks to our callers Jay and Rebecca who called us at 775-241-3571. We're in studio Saturdays from 9 to 11am and Sundays from 7 to 9pm Pacific at 7,75-241-3571 or take a chance and call anytime. Leave a message about when it's good to call you back Wondering about what drivers you get your ride share from. 1. Remember, if it's working, leave it alone. [00:26:22] Speaker D: 2. [00:26:22] Speaker B: Always, always create a restore point before you start and three Never install drivers just because they're newer. If you have broken or missing drivers, go to the manufacturer of your computer or or your or the actual vendor like Nvidia or Intel. The only drivers on open web I trust have moved to glendelhoy.com so we're looking at snappy drivers installer origin and that'[email protected] driverinstaller. Our theme music is Brake Master Cylinder. That's brake like a computer with the wrong driver installed. Our engineer is Joe Bly who would rather walk in the rain than ride with a sketchy driver. Our thanks to Anthony, our ex post faculty checker who fixes window drivers issues by installing Linux. Notice we use Claude AI because it never drives us crazy. 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